Ryan Craig joined me to talk about his third book, Apprentice Nation: How the “Earn and Learn” Alternative to Higher Education Will Create a Stronger and Fairer America.

In our conversation, Craig walked me through what it would take to move apprenticeship beyond the trades and into the broader American workforce. We compared the American apprenticeship system to those of other countries—with a deep dive on Germany, the UK, and Australia. And we discussed the roles of private companies, governments, and intermediary organizations in growing this centuries-old workforce development practice within the modern postsecondary ecosystem.