Senior fellow and director of education policy studies at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) Rick Hess joins me to talk about his new book, The Great School Rethink. It’s a terrific book that reaches a very similar set of conclusions to my own recent book, From Reopen to Reinvent. Rick argues that change in education won’t come from on high, but instead from education and entrepreneurs on the ground. He then talks about what those changes could look like—and how they’ll look different in different communities.

In this conversation, we delved into some of Rick’s pet peeves—which viewers may be surprised to learn are also some of my pet peeves. Phrases like innovation and disruption and best practices. We also talk about rethinking the job of teachers, what a charter teacher might look like, and the use of time in schools and mastery-based learning.